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Post by Lynjabear on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:31 am

A while back, we argued over the tier lists as some were not satisfied with the placements of certain pokemon. I think we could do something when we start out with say, the smogon tier lists, and can "promote" or "demote" certain pokemon at will. Someone could suggest a pokemon be changed tier, and if a certain amount of people back it up (say 2). People could also vote against the decision, which could cancel the vote against a pro-changer.

Here's an explanation with an example.



Rayquaza is currently in the uber tier. Five people are unsatisfied with this placement, and vote to bring Rayquaza into the overused tier. Three people like quaza in the Uber tier, and vote against moving the great huggable dragon. Three cancels out three of the pro-OU Rayquaza votes, meaning out green friend now has positive two votes for moving into overused. That's enough to bring him into OU for now.

Two isn't a set number for amount needed to overrule, but it's being used for now. We could also have a "test phase" period of time to see if the pokemon was truly broken before chaniging the tier officially. This doesn't just work for OU; there could be votes to bring OU's to UU and UU to NU!


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Post by Frashu on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:52 am

Hmm..there are quite a few Pokemon I wouldn't mind being banned.

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Post by Diqlips on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:08 pm

All in favor of Politoed and Ninetales being banned to ubers say Aye!

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Post by Qualna on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:19 pm

Drathmar wrote:All in favor of Politoed and Ninetales being banned to ubers say Aye!
And let Tyranitar and Hippowdon run rampant? Have you gone mad, man?!

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Re: Nightmare Tier List Returns

Post by L on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:12 pm

NO NOT NINETAILS!!!! D:

NINETAILS IS TOO AWESOME FOR UBERS T_T

Also Rayquaza is broken, I mean look at it's stats ans moves.... Also with it's ability that thing is insanely OP. e.e

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Post by Awakening on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:21 pm

I think Politoed, Ninetales, and Thundurus T should go.

Sand and Hail were never too complicated to get rid of anyway.
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Re: Nightmare Tier List Returns

Post by buckthefuffalo on Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:17 pm

Politoed and Ninetales need to go, provided they have their insta-weather abilities. Tornadus' alternate form needs to go as well.

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Re: Nightmare Tier List Returns

Post by Evan on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:25 pm

First off.

Politoed and Ninetales can stay.

The arguement AGAINST them is "nuuuu weather so op". In reality, it's not that hard to get around, as long as you play carefully.

Tornadus-T I do understand a bit more, but don't neccesarily agree with. While yes, it is VERY strong, it also is fast enough to be outsped by MANY sweepers after a Dragon Dance or two, and can be outsped easily through the likes of Jolteon and Choice Scarfers. With Rocks up, it can no longer stay in on Scizor, because priority wrecks it, especially when Tornadus' own life orb damage starts racking up.

In addition, weather CAN even keep Tornadus balanced, justifying no movement between any weather inducer. For instance, most Chlorophyll users in the sun outspeed him, and the residual damage and resistances to his STAB in sand make him less threatening there as well.

There's my arguement against it.

Btw, lower Garchomp to OU for tests.

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Re: Nightmare Tier List Returns

Post by Diqlips on Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:19 pm

garchomp for OU agree.

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Post by Frashu on Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:36 pm

Reshiram wrote:NO NOT NINETAILS!!!! D:

NINETAILS IS TOO AWESOME FOR UBERS T_T

Also Rayquaza is broken, I mean look at it's stats ans moves.... Also with it's ability that thing is insanely OP. e.e


It was an example.



Also I largely disagree with Garchomp for OU. He was banned for a good reason. Whether people used him for his hax abuse or not, he was still a HUGE threat that was very hard to stop unless you had checks specifically to use against him.

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Post by Evan on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:46 pm

I'd just rather see how he acts now with everything in BW2 released.

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Re: Nightmare Tier List Returns

Post by Qualna on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:11 pm

Evan wrote:I'd just rather see how he acts now with everything in BW2 released.
Ice Shard was not released as a Move Tutor move, so I'd expect him still to be overpowered.

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Post by Lynjabear on Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:36 pm

Btw, rayquaza was just a random pokemon picked as an example, and wasn't seriously meant to be considered as an OU pokemon. He's obviously overpowered. I just didn't want to pick a hotly debated pokemon, say Garchomp, and make it seem like I was tilting the thread one way or another.

If we are acutually serious about the tier idea, I'd like to lower garchomp to OU.

We could also unban pokemon, such as blaziken and excadrill, without their "uber" abilities.
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Post by L on Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:30 am

Unban shaymin S plz. It's too cute and small to be uber T_T

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Post by Frashu on Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:32 am

Reshiram wrote:Unban shaymin S plz. It's too cute and small to be uber T_T

I'll have to disagree due to boasting huge stats, a great typing, and a good movepool. It's the fastest subseeder in the game that can beat almost anything one on one with Leech Seed, Substitute, Serene Grace Air Slash, and Seed Flare. There would be no other reason to use speedy subseeders except losing a weakness to SR.


ferrothorn still loses to 60% flinch rate.

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Post by L on Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:05 pm

But he can't do shit in ubers :c

Also shaymin S's stats aren't THAT amazing. His flaw is his defense.

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Post by Diqlips on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Also Resh, I would like to point out, Ubers isn't an actual tier, it's actually just a ban list for OU.

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Post by Evan on Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:12 pm

Drathmar wrote:Also Resh, I would like to point out, Ubers isn't an actual tier, it's actually just a ban list for OU.

This.

And ScarfChomp will reign supreme again.
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Naw but seriously, with things like Tornadus-T being introduced, I wanna see what can effectively do well in OU against Chomp, if there is anything at all.

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Post by L on Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:01 pm

Well Ubers basically is a tier. It is the tier for pokemon too OP for normal play. Or at least that's what it's become. =/

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Post by Evan on Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:35 pm

It really isn't resh. OU is the tier for the most used pokemon in the game that are deemed balanced OR inbalanced for UU/BL. UU applies the same logic with RU, and RU with NU.

The fact is, Ubers is a banlist, and while it can be played, it is not classified as a tier, because the basis of the metagame, OU, needed something to rule out things that dominated or centralized that meta.

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Re: Nightmare Tier List Returns

Post by Awakening on Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:43 pm

We have an Overused, Underused, Rarelyused....

Where the normal used?

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I still stand by Politoed, Ninetales, and Thundurus-T, are we still doing this list thing or is this just a debate thread?

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Post by L on Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:52 pm

So ubers gets bigger while OU gets smaller eh? Well Evan seems like sooner or later Ubers would have to be classified as a tier if it gets too big....=/

Also WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SHAYMIN SKY???? D:

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Post by Evan on Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:20 am

Resh, it outspeeds and OHKO's 90% of the meta. GG

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Post by buckthefuffalo on Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:29 am

Evan wrote:Resh, it outspeeds and OHKO's 90% of the meta. GG

Kinda like Tornadus-T.

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Post by L on Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:34 am

ITS TINY. SOMETHING THAT TINY CANT OUTSPEED AND OHKO 90% OF THE META! ;_;

Just saying that because I want to use a shaymin

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