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Post by samurott on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:35 pm

Scolipede (M) @ Black Sludge

Trait: Poison Point

EVs: 104 HP / 32 Atk / 96 Def / 124 SAtk / 132 SDef / 20 Spd

Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

- Steamroller

- Venoshock

- Toxic Spikes

- Earthquake



sluggy (Gastrodon-East) (F) @ Leftovers

Trait: Storm Drain

EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef

Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)

- Earthquake

- Scald

- Toxic

- Recover



walking boss (Metagross) @ Expert Belt

Trait: Clear Body

EVs: 252 Atk / 148 SAtk / 108 Spd

Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)

- Meteor Mash

- Hidden Power [Fire]

- Grass Knot

- Ice Punch



Brav. (Braviary) (M) @ Sharp Beak

Trait: Sheer Force

EVs: 24 HP / 160 Atk / 140 Def / 144 SDef / 40 Spd

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Crush Claw

- Aerial Ace

- Bulk Up

- Superpower



legion (Spiritomb) (F) @ Leftovers

Trait: Pressure

EVs:

Hardy Nature

- Calm Mind

- Dark Pulse

- Ominous Wind

- Will-O-Wisp



Moltres @ Life Orb

Trait: Pressure

EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

- Fire Blast

- Air Slash

- Roost

- Hidden Power [Grass]
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Post by vegeta20 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:45 am

Lot or low tier pokes for an OU team....
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Post by Lynjabear on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:37 pm

I agree with Veggie with the amount of low-tier pokemon.

When you create a team, don't pick pokemon because you like them/think their designs are cool. Think instead of their typings and abilities.

Pick one pokemon, say lucario, and then think - What pokemon wall/counter this pokemon? Find other pokemon that wall/counter those to support your main pokemon.

And remember typings - pick pokemon with typing that complement each other. For example, Rotom-W and Scizor resist the other's weaknesses.

Be careful with the EVs! Most pokemon have EVs in only two or three stats, as there is high specialization. Metagross, for example, is better off firing off attacks off of its massive 135 Attack than its much smaller 95 SpA. If you try to do both things, you can't do either as well. You only have 510 EVs, and one nature, meaning that you sacrifice a little of the other stats for every point placed in Special attack. Because of this dramatic difference, it's probably more worthwhile to stick with the attack stat.

Also, look at the pokemon's base stats. Scoliopede, for example. is a fast pokemon with moderate attack, great speed, but paper defenses. Play to its natural strengths. Using a Sassy nature will lower Scoliopede's great speed, one of its biggest assets. Because its so frail, its almost not worth investing in defense.

Tiers shouldn't be a bar - I myself use an NU on my most sucessful OU team. But, remember, pokemon are tiered according to their usage, so pokemon at the top of OU are most likely there for a reason.

If you have any more specific questions, feel free to PM me!
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Post by samurott on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:10 am

well vegeta just cause they aint used dosent mean they suck some of these pokemon are great
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Re: my team (please help!)

Post by Frashu on Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:59 pm

I believe the EVs for the Pokemon are all over the place.


No actual synergy has taken place, and I recommend using this to help you build teams better. http://pokemon.marriland.com/black_white/team_builder


Well...let's say you need a LOT of work for your team.


g'day.

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Post by samurott on Thu May 10, 2012 4:22 pm

Regirock @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Stone Edge

- Stealth Rock

- Drain Punch

- Earthquake



Samurott (F) @ Life Orb

Trait: Torrent

EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd

Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

- Hydro Pump

- Ice Beam

- Grass Knot

- Taunt



Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb

Trait: Poison Heal

EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd

Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)

- Drain Punch

- Seed Bomb

- Spore

- Bulk Up



Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers

Trait: Multiscale

EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spd

Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

- Dragon Dance

- Dragon Claw

- Fire Punch

- Roost



Scolipede (M) @ Life Orb

Trait: Swarm

EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

- Rock Slide

- Megahorn

- Swords Dance

- Earthquake



Starmie @ Leftovers

Trait: Natural Cure

EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd

Hardy Nature

- Thunderbolt

- Hydro Pump

- Ice Beam

- Rapid Spin
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Re: my team (please help!)

Post by Frashu on Thu May 10, 2012 4:53 pm

Going to test the team first.

REVIEW: not yet

PLEASE DON'T PUT SPACES IN-BETWEEN THE MOVES I CAN'T TEST IT WHEN IT HAS SPACES.

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Post by samurott on Thu May 10, 2012 6:11 pm

im not it does that normaly
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Post by Frashu on Thu May 10, 2012 6:13 pm

Copy it like this

Spoiler:
Regirock @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Drain Punch
- Earthquake

Samurott (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Taunt

Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Drain Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Spore
- Bulk Up

Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch
- Roost

Scolipede (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Rock Slide
- Megahorn
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Hardy Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin

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Post by samurott on Thu May 10, 2012 6:26 pm

it just copys it the way i showed
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Post by samurott on Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 pm

Samurott (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Torrent

EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd

Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

- Hydro Pump

- Ice Beam

- Grass Knot

- Taunt





Regirock @ Leftovers

Trait: Clear Body

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Stone Edge

- Stealth Rock

- Drain Punch

- Earthquake





Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb

Trait: Poison Heal

EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd

Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)

- Drain Punch

- Seed Bomb

- Spore

- Bulk Up





Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers

Trait: Multiscale

EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spd

Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

- Dragon Dance

- Dragon Claw

- Fire Punch

- Roost





Scolipede (M) @ Life Orb

Trait: Swarm

EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Rock Slide

- Megahorn

- Swords Dance

- Earthquake





Starmie @ Leftovers

Trait: Natural Cure

EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

- Thunderbolt

- Hydro Pump

- Ice Beam

- Rapid Spin
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Post by deltashield on Sat May 26, 2012 1:52 am

I must notice that there are no walls or pokemon that can actually take hits, or actually heal itself.

I suggest swapping one or two of the offensive pokemon for stallers or walls.

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Post by Lynjabear on Sat May 26, 2012 3:13 pm

Try pasting it on word first, then moving it to here, editing the spaces on word possibly. That should work.

Did you read my earlier post? D:
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Post by samurott on Sun May 27, 2012 12:02 am

yes i just dont see why everyone uses the OU and ONLY the OU (cause ive seen entire teams of that plently times.....)

samurott is a great lead preventing deoxys-D from placeing arena traps

after a quick spore and 2 bulk ups breloom can hit pretty hard

scolipede is a great sweeper after 1 or 2 sword dances + the life orb

and starmie can get rid of late game arena traps and still deal good special damage

dragonite is a KEY physical attacker and with the EV's given to it-it has nice bulk

and regirock can tank well with drain punch and can live long enough to lay out stealth rock
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Post by Lynjabear on Sun May 27, 2012 12:24 pm

samurott wrote:yes i just dont see why everyone uses the OU and ONLY the OU (cause ive seen entire teams of that plently times.....)

samurott is a great lead preventing deoxys-D from placeing arena traps

after a quick spore and 2 bulk ups breloom can hit pretty hard

scolipede is a great sweeper after 1 or 2 sword dances + the life orb

and starmie can get rid of late game arena traps and still deal good special damage

dragonite is a KEY physical attacker and with the EV's given to it-it has nice bulk

and regirock can tank well with drain punch and can live long enough to lay out stealth rock

I see this, but there are pokemon that can do it BETTER. For example, some NU's may be viable, but it's just that some pokemon in OU do the same job but better. Take Alomomola. Stellar Hp, good defenses, so why isn't it ever used? One word - Vaporeon. The two run near identical sets, and serve the exact same purpose, but Vaporeon can take hits from both sides of the specturm, which Alomomola could only dream of, and isn't setup bait the way our poor sunfish is with roar. Also, better stat placement separates Vaporeon and Alomomola into OU and NU.

For example, wait, how can samurott prevent Deoxy-D from setting up? Standard Deoxys-D runs max speed timid with taunt, spike, seismic toss/SR, recover/toxic. You need something that outspeeds + nature base 90. Also, the point is, many pokemon can do the same job but better. For example, empoleon can run the same anti-lead set, complete with torrent, but with better typing and more special attack to boot. Also, no leads exist this gen with team preview. One of the most common pokemon in is Rotom-W, who volt-turns with scizor. This combo is problematic for your team.

I don't have an issue with your breloom. I have noticed that it is a set-up sweeper though, which you seem to have a lot of, especially as all three are physical sweepers and are therefore walled by the same poke.

Regirock, well, in all honesty, he can't tank anything worth Cr$p in OU. His stats scream defense, but, there are physical walls in OU that have better typing. Also, his special defense isn't too much to brag about in areas where there are special attackers with base 130 SpA, possibly spamming draco metoer. Also, base 100 attack isn't actually that much in comparison to say, tyranitar, which outclasses regi in every possible way, with much higher attack, speed, and more balanced defenses, as well as a better movepool. Also, bulky setup sweepers will have a picnic with this set, such as conkeldurr, reuniclus, suicune, and others. The thing that really puts the nail in the coffin is the lack of recovery. Hippodon can do the same task better and have the ability to recover his health, and phase out any potential stat boosters that enter. Rock typing is a little unfortunate for a physical wall, as the more common physical moves include earthquake and close combat.

I enjoy the novelty of the scolipede set. But lose Adamant. You need to get the jump on Latios/Latias, as they will murder it (quickly. You also lose to volcarona, terrakion, espeon, gengar, infernape, hydregion, landorus...the list is endless. Scolipede is, however, very difficult to switch in because of its fraility, and probably won't keep sweeping, as there are far too many scarfers in OU for it to sweep long term.

I'd suggest adamant on the dnite set, as you with roost you can accumulate more boosts and the attack boost is very noticeable, but that's optional

I like your starmie. It helps against many pokemon you have problems with (skarm, scor, etc.).



Note - "Arena trap" is trapinch's ability. The word you are looking for is entry hazard.

From looking at your team, these pokemon seem like large threats -

- Gliscor - Walls 4/6 of your team (all but starmie and Samurott)
- Celebi - takes 4/6 of your pokemon. Offensive variants can possibly sweep your whole team.
- Skarmory - Walls 4/6 of your team, all of your setup sweepers included.
- Terrakion - can 0hko all of your pokemon with a layer of spikes down. Scarf version especially nightmarish.
- Latios - Draco meteor, no resists. Enough said.
- Alakazam - Massive attacks, and can revenge with sash. can 0hko every one of your pokes with the correct move.
- Salemence - no dragon resist, moxiemence goes on a rampage.
- Haxorus - no dragon resist, can get one DD with your lack of powerful attackers, spam outrage, and gg.
- Dnite - Who can stop it from setting up? You don't have any walls, so this will simply smash your defense to shreds.

Fast physical threats and defensive combos, such as skarmbliss, this team can't handle. You need more immediate power in wallbreakers and some faster pokemon to take more offensive teams on. Weather teams are also large issues, as their weather-boosted sweepers, such as tornadus, can 0hko every member, and can't be revenged as it often carries a scarf of its own.


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Post by ChronoDuck on Sun May 27, 2012 12:26 pm

People only use OU because OU is the most competitive tire.

There are better starter Pokemon that do a way better job than Samurott or scolipede. Now only using OU people say its unfaire so it's found apon. For example mew can do what Samurott does but better, and set up. While lucario is a way way better physical sweeper.

Yit was already mentioned but you have loads of physical sweepers and something like like gliscor or skarmory will lol at this team when starmie is gone lol
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Post by Evan on Sun May 27, 2012 3:39 pm

To be honest, NU's are NU for a reason. I realize that some are viable, and some can truly make a team, but nearly every single Pokemon on your team can or is outclassed by someone else, and Lynja covered this well.

This being said, as much as I hated it in the beginning, Poison Heal Gliscor is probably the most deadly of any physical wall, capable of OHKOing most dragons with Ice Fang, as well as taking +1 Outrages for MoxieMence when close to full. Even Gligar can be very threatening when equipped with Eviolite, as you can still regain HP with Roost, and be a general hazard with Stealth Rock and Toxic. It can take 2 Outrages at full from MoxieMence at +1, and is more than capable to stall it out with Roost. He can also punch quite a large hole in your team. (I mention Gligar because I feel he is a lower tier Pokemon that is more than Viable in OU, even if his larger form does create more waves).

All in all, while I like your originality, this team has too many Pokemon that are outclassed by others in the competitive metagame to be take seriously as a competitive OU team.

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Post by samurott on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:01 pm

well guess what? I NEVER RUN INTO A SINGLE PROBLOM YOU NAME



+ for some reason samurott out speeds deoxys-D
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Post by Awakening on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:08 pm

So you're saying your team is perfect in every way

...

I'm an optomist and and all, but...

Come one now.

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Post by Lynjabear on Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:04 pm

Hey, if you didn't want help, what is with the name of the topic?

Have you battled standard teams, or just noobs? Once you get higher on the ladder, you WILL run into these issues. Sorry for sounding angry, but I've tried to help and you've either ignored my very long posts or rejected them, and it usually takes a lot to set me off. Only once I see this team being successful against players who know what their doing, will I believe that you "never run into a single problem" that we name.
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